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The simple fact is that in a social and cultural environment in which pragnacy out of wed-lock is not look upon as a stigmatism, then, the ratio of abortions will likewise go down.  Under extremely close scruitany, once womyn are secured, and this means their integrity of female sexually, careeer expectations, where there are no social, or spiritual cultural taboos-sitgnatisms in having a child out of the bonds of marriage, and the more importantly not having to deal with the nasty prevailing ethos of emotional acculuralization, during very critical early - preteen developmental stages, of girls' birth pain anxieties, then the option of abortiion will likewise demished. It could be, eventually, almost gone!
The one basic question I have ask and found out in a most reasonable manner -answer is that no womyn likes an abortion! The only thing I know, and I could be wrong too, that Pro-Life and Choice have in common-beyond their sex.
The real focus which should have been first political examined in the discourse of public policy making is to focus on the pathologies of female anxieties of fear and the full resultant fields [ please denote the plural ] of the personal conequences of her pregnacy " first and foremost."  Moreover, when religion is involked, it should have been self - cognizant of its own deficient traditonalized historic role in which it is primarily responsiable for these fear anxieties to have socially, culturally, and politically manisfested in the first place. It, as an institution, should bear most of the blame if it is indeed truthfully proclaimed what is happening is an evil. I should likewise remind everyone, that during World War II several minister of prostestant faith were embedded with the German army, and the entire network of ministers of German faith knew within a week of the ongoing Holocaust of Euorpean Jewry.  Look to your own house, as some are now doing.
Thus I will only look at the medical consequences, and that I will not fore judge what I discover in the meantime. It is already understood, none the less, there are very little on the Internet which is not biased in either directions of Pro Life, or Choice.  The Internet and the search engine providers have both been politically polarized .... Sad isn't it?
Mr. Roger M. Christian....
Edited Febraury 19, 2007

girls' birth pain anxieties - additonal note.  At several traditional places of worship, and the society they impact, the idea - theologically between " initial origninal sin " and womyn having to pay for " initial original sin " with pain - trauma during the delivery of life really can not be fully measure as of yet-except to say it does have a real impact upon the emotional and developmental stages of girls between 8 to 14 years old!  I have asked , written, and investigated.  The rumor, curcumstance, or how this teaching ever evolved has to be stop - immedately.


Mental distress due to abortion lasts for years

Women who have had an abortion still experience mental distress related to the abortion years after it happened. A study published today in the open access journal BMC Medicine reveals that five years on, women who have had an abortion suffer higher levels of mental distress than other women and than women who have had a miscarriage.

Anne Nordal Broen and colleagues from the University of Oslo, in Norway, collaborated with colleagues from the Buskerud Hospital in Drammen, Norway. They studied 40 women who had had a miscarriage and 80 women who had undergone an induced abortion. The women were interviewed and asked to complete questionnaires 10 days, six months, two years and five years after the pregnancy termination. The aim was to assess the women's feelings about the event and measure their levels of stress, anxiety and their quality of life.

Broen et al.'s results show that women who had a miscarriage suffer more mental distress up until six months after the event than women who had an abortion. Women who had an abortion, however, experienced more mental distress long after the event - two and five years afterwards - than women who had a miscarriage. Women who had an abortion experienced high levels of anxiety, feelings of guilt, shame and relief and had to make efforts to avoid thoughts about the event. When compared with women from the general population, women who had an abortion experienced more anxiety 10 days, six months, two years and five years after the event.

12 December 2005

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The course of mental health after miscarriage and induced abortion: a five-year follow-up study
Anne Nordal Broen MD, Torbjorn Moum Professor, Anne Sejersted Bodtker MD and Oivind Ekeberg MD, Professor
BMC Medicine 2005, 3:18 (12 December 2005)


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In variance with the above comes this  .... RMC/Editor ...

How Medical Inaccuracies, Fear, and Shame in Federally Funded Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Programs Put Our Youth at Risk

SIECUS Releases Review of Commonly Used Curricula

Washington, DC - As part of its Third Annual "Back to School" briefing, the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the U.S. (SIECUS) is pleased to release its latest reviews of three abstinence-only-until-marriage curricula used in federally funded programs. Although the programs vary, these reviews document that the programs are riddled with messages of fear, shame, gender stereotypes, and medical misinformation that put young people at risk.

"These reviews provided an excellent portrait of the types of abstinence-only-until-marriage curricula used in the programs funded by the federal government," said William Smith, vice president for public policy at SIECUS . "We hope this information will give educators, policymakers, community leaders, and parents the true picture of what our nation's young people are, and in many cases, are not learning with respect to their sexual health," Smith continued.

SIECUS reviewed Passions and Principals, Worth the Wait, and Navigator . These curricula are taught in federally-funded abstinence-only-until-marriage programs located in more than a dozen states across the nation, including, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Texas, and Virginia among others. Since FY 2001, the programs that use these curricula have received more than $4 million.

Examples of the messages included in the curricula are as follows:

Passions and Principles:

•  "'The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good your whole body will be full of light.' Matthew 6.22" (Passion & Principles, Leader's Guide, reprint of page 2)

•  If a student rolls a four, he or she contracted AIDS and the Leader is instructed to say "You're heading to the grave. No cure." (Passion & Principles, Leader's Guide, 34)

•  "One in 5 times condoms will fail for pregnancy." (Passion & Principles, Leader's Guide, 10)

Worth the Wait:

•  "Condoms can never protect someone from the emotional problems that can result from multiple sexual partners and premature sexual activity." (Worth the Wait, Section 6-20.41)

•  Males will often have their first intercourse experience with a woman to whom he feels no particular attachment while females tend to have their first sexual experience with a man they love and may want to marry." (Worth the Wait, Section 5-11)

•  "Equally as serious as the physical risks/side effects can be the emotional impact of abortion. 'Some women may feel guilty, sad, or empty while others may feel relief that the procedure is over. Some women have reported serious psychological effects after their abortion, including depression, grief, anxiety, lowered self-esteem, regret, suicidal thoughts and behavior, sexual dysfunction, avoidance of emotional attachment, flashbacks, and substance abuse.'" (Worth the Wait, Section 6-8)


•  "The doctor has done the first scrape of her cervix. If this procedure does not remove all of the cancer, she will need to have a full hysterectomy in order to remove all the cancer, in which case Sherri will never be able to have children." (Navigator, work book, p. 48)

•  "She realized that the emotional pain she was experiencing was real, and that a condom wasn't going to do anything to blunt the emotional hurt she was experiencing." (Navigator, workbook, p. 33)

•  "Abortion is often listed first by students, because it seems to be a quick and easy solution. If students list abortion, ask 'if a girl chooses to have an abortion, do you think it will have long-term consequences for her? Do you think it will affect her physically, emotionally, mentally, or socially?'" (Navigator Guide Book, p. 36)

"Programs that disparage condom use, instill fear and shame in young people, perpetuate gender stereotypes, and contain anti-abortion messages, among other deplorable statements, have no place in any program for school-aged young people, let alone programs sanctioned by the federal government, and paid for with hard-earned tax dollars." Smith said.

Over the past five years, more than $600 million federal dollars have been spent on abstinence-only-until-marriage programs. President Bush is seeking an additional $206 million in FY 2006 alone. Y et no sound study exists that shows these programs have any long-term beneficial impact on young people's sexual behavior. More than a dozen states have evaluation their Title V programs, and still none have found the abstinence-only-until-marriage approach to be effective. In fact, recent studies are showing that these programs may be potentially harmful to young people.

In contrast, numerous studies and evaluations published in peer-reviewed literature suggest that comprehensive education about sexuality, programs that teach teens about both abstinence and contraception/disease prevention, are an effective strategy to help young people delay their initiation of sexual intercourse.

SIECUS believes in time-tested and proven evidence that finds teaching abstinence alongside other issues, not in isolation from them, provides the best long term outcomes for youth," said Smith. "We hope by exposing the messages included in many of the abstinence-only-until-marriage curricula will encourage policymakers to rethink their commitment to these unproven and harmful programs, and support a more comprehensive approach," Smith said.

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Read the Full Curricula Reviews on SIECUS' Community Action Kit website

editors notes .........

There is considerable evidence that precognitions of eventual pain in birth have impacted early youth consciousness around the age of 5 years.  The realization of which comes into full view when interests in males whehn she reaches her developemental stage of development.

Here she is in an unknown circumstance in which she is confronted with the prevailing attitudes, and which ones are truthful to her own needs.  

There is very little really qualified research, in as much as most of what is written is likewise polorized by the external adn internal fractionalization within the medial community over the issue of abortion.  Funding, and will give support research want strings attached .  Thus an attempt will be made to find... the little which is out there so I looking to bloggers [ which is attached a warnings about the accuraccy of what they are writing ]...and as per the following ...  RMC

Trauma-Related Problems and Pregnancy

As we have established, sexual trauma is associated with numerous negative health-related outcomes. There is good reason to believe that trauma-related symptoms and behaviors put traumatized women at risk for poorer pregnancy outcomes as well.


Untreated psychiatric complications during pregnancy put both women and their children at higher risk for many negative outcomes. Maternal anxiety disorders have been linked with low birth weight and irritable neonatal behaviors as well as a doubled risk of hyperactivity in 4-year-old males.[52] Seng et al.[53] found that women with PTSD during pregnancy were at higher risk for ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion, and hyperemesis than were those who did not have PTSD.

Depression during the prenatal and postnatal periods is of concern as well. Prenatal depression puts women at risk for lack of prenatal care, poor nutritional intake, and nicotine and other substance use.[54] In addition, infants of mothers who were depressed during pregnancy show changes in neurobehavioral functioning and are more withdrawn, irritable, and inconsolable than infants of asymptomatic women.[54] Postpartum depression appears to have detrimental consequences for the offspring, such as dysregulation in infant behavior, physiology, and biochemistry.[55] Prenatal and postpartum depression in women also has been associated with temperament difficulties in toddlers[56] and poor adjustment in 41/2-year-old children.[57] Continue .....[ see this ]




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